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Clean & Lube FAQs

Degreaser 13 and Pig Juice share a similar solvent-free base chemistry but differ mainly in power, viscosity, and price.

Degreaser 13 is more powerful and concentrated which leads to a higher viscosity and cost/bottle. The high viscosity makes it really fantastic for applying to drivetrain components because it doesn’t drip off and is very efficient. It is further activated by water and also requires a bit more rinsing than Pig Juice because of the high concentration.

Pig Juice feature a little less raw power but is pre-activated to make sure it flows nicely into tight spaces like chains and also to require less rinsing. Pig Juice was designed for optimal performance in the Chain Pig chain cleaner when used straight out of the bottle. It also works great for other degreasing tasks as well.

Our preferred application is to use Degreaser 13 and Pig Juice together for cleaning drivetrains. Apply Degreaser 13 to the cassette and chainrings using the Toothbrush. Then run Pig Juice in the Chain Pig on the chain, rinse the Chain Pig out, and run a again filled with water. Next add a little water to the Toothbrush bristles and quickly scrub at the cassette and chainrings to further activate the Degreaser 13. Finally give everything a rinse with water and dry with rag. Results are pretty incredible!

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Chain Pig In the Wild

There are two main differences.  The first is that Slick Wax uses an alcohol carrier to deliver the wax lubricant package to the chain surfaces versus Ice Wax 2.0’s water-based carrier.  In both cases, the carrier evaporates leaving the wax lubricant on the chain surfaces.  As you can imagine, the alcohol carrier in Slick Wax evaporates much more quickly.  You can apply Slick Wax right before a ride and it will be ready to give top performance.  With Ice Wax, the water takes more time to evaporate so we recommend applying it at least one hour or more before you ride to get the best performance.  The second difference is in the wax lubricant package.  Both use only natural waxes but the types of wax are different.  The package in Slick Wax is a bit more advanced, leveraging multiple types of wax for specific purposes along with some new polymer technology.  This allows it to run incredibly clean in super dusty conditions while also providing incredible drivetrain efficiency (hence the “Slick” name).

Pedro’s currently offers three degreasers: Oranj Peelz, Degreaser 13, and Pig Juice. All three are generally interchangeable and intended for degreasing tasks, such as degreasing chains, drivetrain parts, bearings, or other parts where grease or oil needs to be removed. As a side note, the ability to remove oil and grease effectively is the difference between a degreaser and and bike wash (Green Fizz). Green Fizz effectively removes dirt, grime, mud, etc but won’t remove oil or grease which allows it to be safely used all over the bike.

Pedro’s Degreasers – Overview
Since the beginning, Pedro’s degreasing technology has been ahead of the curve for safety, environment and most importantly performance. Oranj Peelz, first offered in 1994, contains less than 30% solvent content; far less than our competitors even today who often rely on solvent content as high as 75-95% in their “citrus” degreasers (only 0.1-1% actual citrus solvent in a competitor’s citrus degreaser). Aside from user safety and environmental issues, these high solvent degreasers leave residue on the drivetrain after use and require more cleaning. Oranj Peelz’s unique solvent/surfactant formula leaves parts residue-free and is more effective removing the wide array of contaminants found on bike drivetrains when compared to these high solvent degreasers. Additionally, the high-solvent degreasers are more prone to damaging plastic parts, paint, and recently the advanced chain coatings found on high end chains. Shimano and Campagnolo even went so far as condemning use of all “citrus” degreasers on these chains. Though we disagreed with these suggestions based on Oranj Peelz’s lower solvent content, we were glad to have already started on our next generation chemistry. Oranj Peelz’s secret sauce has always been its non-solvent ingredients and further developing this chemistry technology resulted in our first fully solvent-free degreaser chemistry used in Pig Juice and Degreaser 13. We’re proud to say, they are the best degreasers we’ve ever used, and can be safely used on any material. All the advantages of Oranj Peelz carried through to our new degreasers, and performance is even better, without any of the negatives of solvents. In all side by side tests we completed, we found Degreaser 13 to outperform or match Oranj Peelz. Pig Juice has less raw power than Degreaser 13 and Oranj Peelz but is still impressively effective and is not far behind in most uses. The other significant difference of Degreaser 13 compared to Oranj Peelz or Pig Juice is the high viscosity. Degreaser 13 can be very efficiently applied with almost no dripping/waste and the concentrated power allows less to be used.

Degreaser 13 vs Pig Juice
Degreaser 13 and Pig Juice share a similar solvent-free base chemistry but differ in power, viscosity, and price. Both are biodegradable, non-hazardous, non-flammable, zero V.O.C., plant-based, and safe to use on any material. The chemistry technology behind both is engineered to fight its way to metal surfaces, then attack and break free the bonds holding oils, soils, and grime in place, and finally dissolve and contain to carry it all away. Both are designed to work in conjunction with water which acts as the “solvent”.

Degreaser 13 is more powerful and concentrated with a higher viscosity and price point. The extra power tackles the toughest degreasing jobs and the concentrated formula is perfect for the mechanic that likes to play with dilution to match the job at hand. Used straight from the bottle, the high viscosity is perfect for applying to drivetrain components because it doesn’t drip off and is very efficient. It is further activated by water and also requires a bit more rinsing than Pig Juice because of the high concentration. Pig Juice feature a little less raw power but is pre-activated to make sure it flows nicely into tight spaces like chains and also to require less rinsing. Pig Juice was designed for optimal performance in the Chain Pig chain cleaner when used straight out of the bottle. It works great for all other degreasing tasks as well. Pig Juice is also fragrance-free and dye-free.

Our preferred usage is to use Degreaser 13 and Pig Juice together for cleaning drivetrains. Apply Degreaser 13 to the cassette and chainrings using the Toothbrush. Then run Pig Juice in the Chain Pig on the chain, rinse the Chain Pig out, and run a again filled with water. Next add a little water to the Toothbrush bristles and quickly scrub at the cassette and chainrings to further activate the Degreaser 13. Finally give everything a rinse with water and dry with rag. Results are pretty incredible! This process can also be done using only Degreaser 13, only Pig Juice, or only Oranj Peelz.

To get the best performance from your chain lubricant, it is important to choose one that matches your riding conditions. Pedro’s offers a lubricant for all types of conditions from dry desert riding to the mud and snow of a New England cross race.  Each bottle of Pedro’s chain lubricant offers a “Lube-O-Meter” with easy to understand icons to help you choose the correct lubricant. These can also be found on each product page.  The following provides a general overview for our four lubricants:

 

 

 

 

Properly applying lubricant will ensure you get the best performance possible. Check out our Guide: How to Lube Your Chain to learn the proper technique.

Vegetable oils provide many advantages over petroleum and straight synthetic lubricants. To learn more, check out our write-up Why Use Vegetable Oil-based Lubes?.

Clearly it is important for a chain lube to perform well and be long lasting.  So why would you want it to biodegrade?  Take a look at the write-up Should Chain Lube Biodegrade? to get a quick look at how biodegradation works and reasons why choosing biodegradable chain lube might be a better for your bike, for you, and for the planet.

Chainj is pronounced just like change. Saying Chainj as Chain-Jay is incorrect, but we’ll still like you even if you call it that!

The closest replacement to Road Rage would be our Go! lubricant. This is a low viscosity lubricant with exceptional penetration and lubrication properties and should work well in your Mavic hub. Another option is Chainj which is very similar to Go! but has a higher viscosity.

We’ve seen a number of cases where Ice Wax 2.0 has thickened in the bottle. This is not the intended state of Ice Wax and we implemented a fix in mid-2013. However, some unfixed bottle may still be out in the market.  If you believe you have one of these bad bottles, please submit a warranty claim and we will replace your lube at no cost.  That said, if you don’t mind a little tinkering, a quick  fix is to add isopropyl alcohol (70%) to the Ice Wax 2.0 to help thin out the lube.  It only takes a small amount to achieve this.  We suggest 0.5fl-oz be added to for 3.5 fl-oz of lube. Simply add the isopropyl and shake the bottle vigorously for about a minute.   This will lower the viscosity and allow the lube to be applied normally.

A clean bike is a happy bike! Keeping your bike clean is an essential part of bicycle maintenance ensuring better performance, increased safety, easier repairs, increased life of all parts of the bike, and more fun on your next ride! Check out our Bike Wash Guide: Complete Cleaning and Bike Wash Guide: Quick Wash & Lube to learn the proper techniques and make your bike look and run like new.

Read on to learn more about these two important types of cleaners.
Bike Wash: Used for general purpose cleaning of the entire bike.  Bike wash is designed to remove dirt, dust, mud, road salt, and other general grime.  However, bike wash will not remove oils or grease (see degreaser).  This makes bike wash safe to use anywhere on the bike without risk of accidentally washing away important grease.  Using bike wash frequently will make each cleaning easier and your bike looking like new.  Pedro’s bike wash is called Green Fizz.  Bike Wash can also be used to clean drivetrain parts, but as mentioned above, will not be effective as a degreaser to remove oils.  That said, if you don’t plan to use a degreaser, bike wash will be better than nothing.

Degreaser: Used for heavy-duty cleaning of drivetrain parts (gears and chain).  Degreasers are designed to be very powerful allowing them to remove grease, oils, and tough grime.  Many degreasers achieve their cleaning power with solvents.  Many different types of solvent ingredients are used from naturally derived citrus solvents to other common solvents such as mineral spirits.   Because of the solvents, most degreasers are considering hazardous and require care to make sure they are used only on metal parts and not plastic, paint, or rubber.  Pedro’s had always used as little solvent as possible in its degreasers.  Our Oranj Peelz degreaser was developed more than 20 years ago and contains less than 30% solvent content; far less than our competitors even today.  Oranj Peelz’s secret sauce is actually in its non-solvent ingredients and we’ve recently used this knowledge to develop our first fully solvent-free degreasers: Degreaser 13 and Pig Juice.   We’re proud to say, they are the best degreasers we’ve ever used, and can be safely used on any material.  That said, because of their cleaning power, they can still potentially remove grease and oil that you might want to keep, so care should be used when applying to your bike.

Oranj Peelz and Pro J are designed for drivetrains specifically. However, they can be used on other portions of the bike for stubborn grease and grime, but need to be rinsed well with water within 5-10 minutes of application to prevent damage. Pedro’s recently introduced two new solvent-free degreasers, Degreaser 13 and Pig Juice, which can safely be used on any material or finish and are better choice of degreasers for use on non-drivetrain parts.  Green Fizz bike wash is also a great option for risk-free cleaning on any material.  If Pro J or Oranj Peelz or Pro J comes into contact with non-drivetrain parts unintentionally, rinse well with water as soon as possible.

Bike Lust can be used on all types of materials and finishes including carbon fiber and matte finishes. It’s also fantastic on tires to help shed mud and dirt as you ride. As always, be careful when using Bike Lust around braking surfaces but other than that you should be all set!

Bio Grease is not recommended for bearing applications. It should be used for assembly tasks, great for threads, ensuring accurate torque and protecting against corrosion, and great for component interfaces, ensuring easy adjustment and removal and again preventing corrosion. For bearing applications, we recommend our new Syn Grease Plus (available mid 2013) which meets tough GC-LB requirements, the highest rating for bearing performance classification. This rating means Syn Grease Plus will provide the absolute highest performance and protection for your most critical bearing applications.

The Chain Keeper was not designed to work with 142×12. However, we have tested it on an Ibis Mojo HDR, which uses a 142×12 rear axle setup (Maxle standard), and found that the Chain Keeper will works if installed backwards (QR lever inside the frame).  This requires that the skewer be partially dissembled so the axle can be passed through the dropout but works quite well considering it wasn’t designed specifically for use in a 12×142 dropout.  We also found it easier to pull the chain onto the Chain Keeper after the Chain Keeper is installed (instead of during installation).  Check out the photos below.

Chain Keeper 142x12_1 Chain Keeper 142x12_2

Grease Injectors can be a little finicky and most problems users have can be attributed to air pockets. We suggest the following techniques:
1. Before attaching the grease tube to the injector, make sure grease is present at the tip of the tube or even starting to come out of the tube.
2. Screw the grease injector onto the grease tube.
3. Next, squeeze the grease tube from the bottom (like a toothpaste tube) to push grease from the tube into the injector. The idea is to replace all air in the injector with grease.
4. As you are pushing grease from the tube into the injector, squeeze the trigger of the injector to determine if the grease has moved into the injector. The injector will become harder to squeeze once it is moving grease.
5. Once grease is in the injector, squeeze the trigger slowly until grease starts coming out of the trigger tip. Pause between each squeeze of the trigger to allow the grease to move. Since grease is very thick, it takes time to move after air pressure is applied. If you squeeze the trigger many times in a row very quickly, it builds up pressure and leads to an uncontrolled stream of grease (makes a mess) and may create air pockets which will disrupt the flow of grease requiring you to start back at step 2.
6. Once grease has fully filled the space within the injector, you should have consistent performance. After extended use, some air pockets may occur as the tube empties. If this happens repeat these steps again to refill the injector and remove air pockets.

The Chain Pig can be used on single-speed setups but may require some modified setup and usage techniques based on the lack of derailleur, chain position relative to the frame, and chain dimensions.

For the derailleur hook and chain position, you may be able to hook the derailleur hook around the axle next to the rear cog.  When trying this, make sure the Chain Pig body isn’t contacting the frame and being pushed out of alignment.  Alternatively, the best solution is to remove the derailleur hook and hold the Chain Pig in place with your hand.

The next consideration is the size of your chain.  Since single speed chains tend to be wider than multi-speed chains, you may find the Chain Pig runs with some extra resistance.  The openings on Chain Pig body are 10mm wide and should allow most chains to pass through.  The sponge may also have some issue with wider chains but can easily be removed if needed.

Lastly, you can check out the usage instructions here for additional information.